The Assymetrical battle between Conservatives and Liberals


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#54. The political war between liberalism and conservatism is assymetrical with the liberals holding a lop-sided advantage.

Because I believe that the truth will eventually come out -- I can't really tell whoppers. I heard a radio interview today on NPR with a guy who wrote a book about J. Edgar Hoover. At one point he mentioned that sometime after 911 FBI director Moeller went into George W. Bush's office and told him that if he did not do something about the illegal things taking place in the war on terror -- that Moeller and several others in his government were going to resign. This came to this author's attention because it was reported by Bush in his memoirs. Bush wrote that he had visions of the 'massacre' similar to this that had occurred under Nixon and he quickly got legislation passed that had the actions covered legally. But then this author made me laugh when he said -- with no intention of relating a funny story -- that two brave FBI agents went through Bill Clinton's trash cans to find blood or DNA sample evidence in the Monica Lewinski affair. I would have been impressed if they had stood up to Clinton and demanded a DNA sample to compare with the stains on Monica's blue dress. I remember that Clinton was able to carry on his big lie right up to this point in the investigation. And my amazement continued when it became clear that his statement that he did not have an affair with the intern was not in practice a lie -- as I would have considered it -- but in the context of criminal law being based on intent -- it would have been very difficult to prosecute it as a lie as further evidence came out that his peers apparently mostly believe that having oral sex was not considered as having an affair -- or some such legal mumbo-jumbo. The issues of possible influence by the Clinton friend -- Vernon Jordan -- in finding Monica a job with Revlon after a meeting with her and these were grounds for investigating. When of course the investigation did not find 'proof' of misconduct -- the entire case was considered political by the liberal press. The fine distinction of being found not guilty due to lack of evidence still leaves room for me to not be able to call Clinton innocent but apparently not so for liberals in general. The ethics and morality differences between liberals and conservatives is similar to the assymetrical double-standard that used to have females expected to be virgins at marriage with a very relaxed standard for males. This has conservatives caught up in ethics issues resigning or at least no longer being electable with the corresponding erring liberal usually having a significantly reduced downside when caught. Scott Adams in his Dilbert blog stated that there is perhaps no 'firing offense' possible for Obama in the minds of liberals. He could be caught red-handed in a murder and they would find a way to rationalize it away in a manner similar to the definition of a DC affair.



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Idd projecting an image of Bill Clinton.
    I asked Idd if he had some video to illustrate my article. He came up with this.

    Bill Clinton admits to having inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky on YouTube. Note how he was able to state that he did not ask anyone to tell a lie on his benefit -- he did not have to ask as his supporters and the main-stream media willingly made a supreme effort to protect him. Note how he implies that the lawsuit generating this particular problem for him had something to do with Whitewater -- and it was dismissed. Actually this particular problem was investigated as part of the Whitewater investigation but it actually came from a lawsuit by Paula Jones that was dismissed then appealed. Paula Corbin Jones (born Paula Rosalee Corbin; September 17, 1966) is a former Arkansas state employee who sued U.S. President Bill Clinton for sexual harassment. The lawsuit was dismissed before trial on the grounds that Jones failed to demonstrate any damages; however, while the dismissal was being appealed, Clinton entered into an out-of-court settlement, agreeing to pay Jones and her attorneys a total of $850,000 in November 1998 (with not a penny coming out of Clinton's pocket it was apparently covered by campaign money and insurance).. The case went through the courts, eventually reaching the Supreme Court on January 13, 1997. On May 27, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against Clinton, and allowed the lawsuit to proceed.

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    YouTube video: Bill Clinton--"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
    This was of course before the FBI made the DNA test on the blue dress.

    Jones v. Clinton Settlement (washington post article)

    Jones v. Clinton (on wikipedia)

    Note the definition of sexual relations. That the letter of the law was not upheld in the impeachment hearings is related to the conflict between the 'rule of law' and 'natural law'. See #40 on the relationship between codified law and natural or cultural rules.

    A chronology of key events in the Monica S. Lewinsky saga (washington post article).

    Note the number of gifts exchanged between Monica and Bill. Pay attention to the efforts of Clinton's secretary -- Currie -- to facilitate his meetings.

    Note: any YouTube video address can change and if you get a frowny-face from YouTube stating the link is in error -- Just type the description in my link into YouTube and it should find the new address.



Another example would be to compare the cases of Scooter Libby and Sandy Berger. In the Libby case -- a former ambassador to Niger named Wilson made an egregious op-ed concerning the liberal cause of the day -- not finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. White house staff and many in DC somehow knew Wilson's wife -- Valerie Plame -- was a CIA analyst and probably the source of the info in his op-ed and not the implied experience or contacts in Wilson's former job. The investigator found out early that it was Armitage -- a deputy of Powell in the State Department that leaked the info -- but the investigation was vigorously persued apparently in the hope of catching Karl Rove or VP Chenney in leaking classified information. Why the reporter who printed the story on Wilson's wife and everyone who knew about Armitage as the original leak -- kept this info secret during the investigation is a mystery to me. Libby was caught up in a 'process' felony when the prosecutor was able to prove to a jury that he lied to an investigator -- not that he actually leaked classified info. Contrast the assymetrical lack of prosecution of the liberal -- Sandy Berger -- when he was caught in the act of removing documents from the national archives -- by stuffing the documents in his socks. I doubt if many people really know what significance the documents had that Berger took and destroyed -- the ones he got caught with were not the critical ones -- he had already taken and destroyed those. The documents were versions of a memo on Al Caida prior to 911 that circulated in the Clinton administration. At the time Berger did the deed an investigation into the lead-up to 911 was in progress and my guess is that Berger as the former national security advisor was aware of margin notes -- probably damaging to Clinton -- on several intermediate forms of the memo as it was passed around before the memo document was finalized. Berger took a bullet for his liberal team by removing the intermediate memos -- saving his former boss -- and somehow pressure was exerted to avoid prosecution. His cabinet career in a future democrat administration was compromised -- he would not be able to get confirmed -- but he has been well rewarded with plum jobs since then. Assymetrically the force of conservative zeal ended with discrediting him career-wise while in the Libby case the liberals continued their zeal until Libby was convicted of a felony. Even Bush was able to only come up with the ability to commute the sentence and not pardon Libby. Wait until Obama leaves the White House and see what kind of pardons he gives out. These cases are examples of the paradoxical situation nominalistic reasoners have when compared to the mostly universalistic reasoning of liberals. See #52 on how nominalistic reasoning has ideas only to the stage of hypothetical constructs that are not proven while the universalistic thinker has made the unproven idea 'real' and 'proven'. The paradox comes when the nominalistic thinker gives the universalistic idea the benefit of the doubt -- kind of like a free speech argument -- while the universalistic reasoner has no doubts -- when he should have some -- and does not allow a reciprocal free speech right to the nominalist.

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    United States of America v. I. Lewis Libby, also known as "Scooter Libby" (Case No. 1:2005-cr-00394-RBW) is the federal trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former high-ranking official in the George W. Bush administration. Libby served as Assistant to the President under George W. Bush and Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs under Dick Cheney from 2001 to 2005. Libby resigned from his government positions hours after his indictment on October 28, 2005. Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements. Libby was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined $250,000. The sentence was commuted in June 2007 by President Bush, voiding the prison term. The convictions still stand on the record.

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    The Truth About the Valerie Plame Case Finally Emerges (Scooter Libby Innocent)
    This was of course was way after the trial was over.

    YouTube video: Archive: Patrick Fitzgerald CIA Leak Press Conference pt 2
    The second part of the interview Idd is projecting.

    Key Players in the CIA Leak Investigation (washington post article 2007)



    What happened to ex-CIA operative Valerie Plame? Ask USA TODAY
    Note that this biased media report states that only one person was convicted of leaking the identity of Plame -- Scooter Libby -- the truth was that he was convicted of a 'process error' -- specifically of lying to a federal investigator -- not really the same thing.

    Note that the real leaker -- Armitage is not mentioned or the fact that Colin Powell and Fitzgerald knew of this from the start and said nothing.

    In April 2005, Berger pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington.
    Note that what he actually took is unknown: (from the wikipedia article) Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material on April 1, 2005. Berger was fined $50,000, sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for 3 years. The Justice Department initially said Berger stole only copies of classified documents and not originals. But the House Government Reform Committee later revealed that an unsupervised Berger had been given access to classified files of original, uncopied, uninventoried documents on terrorism. Several Archives officials acknowledged that Berger could have stolen any number of items and they "would never know what, if any, original documents were missing".

    Sandy took a bullet for his team and has been well rewarded since then.

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See #38 and pay attention to the ability of the NPD personality to believe that what he would do is 'normal' -- and forget what scientists have decided is normal on a test such as the MMPI. Similarly the universalistic thinker is clearly able to decide in his mind that his conclusions are correct and his lack of skepticism for his ideas has him oddly applying fierce and emotional levels of skepticism to his rival's ideas. Another way to understand the assymetrical battle of reasoning between the two forces in thinking is to realize that nominalism favors the individual and universalism aligns with the 'collective' -- essentially an uneven battle with one side having one or few with the opposing side having larger numbers arrayed in battle. When I was in the Marine Corps and stationed in Okinawa we had to do some extra guard duty by patrolling the streets of the local village (Kin) each night because of another example of assymetrical forces. Perhaps there is some correlation with the black voting percentages going over 90% for the democrat or 'collective' candidates and that our marines had an odd alignment issue when it came to taking 'liberty' -- a kind of break from duties after hours when the marines take off their uniforms and go out into the local village for recreational purposes. The patrols were necessary because we got paid twice a month and with the boredom that existed -- most marines took 'liberty' most weekends. For some reason the blacks spent most or all of their money on the first weekend after payday and there were two weekends each month where they were mostly broke -- but they went out anyway. The white marines would go out individually or in small groups of two or three while the black marines would go out on the town 'collectively' in groups with as many as a dozen marines at a time. Our patrols were intended to hopefully have a patrol come around a corner and be able to defuse a confrontation where a large group of blacks was shaking down a smaller group of whites -- for their money -- with a kind of Robin Hood mentality justifying a re-distribution of the wealth. I would not even characterize this problem as racial but rather as cultural. When I was in boot camp there were eighty of us with one black named Smith. We all knew him and we were all friends with him -- when he was an individual. But after boot camp came infantry training with the groupings much larger where there were ten to twenty blacks in the larger groups. I can remember walking past Smith when he was in one of those larger groups of blacks and seeing him ignore me as apparently in his new cultural grouping -- the 'collective' mentality was to not be friends with whites. One of the strangest experiences I had a marine was when I first became a corporal and had mess duty in North Carolina. As an NCO I was management material and had to organize lower ranked marines in the work assignments. There was one black guy who was always failing to complete simple assignments and I finally asked him what was his problem -- why wouldn't he do this simple task? He reached into his back pocket and produced a paperback book written by a black panther -- I can't remember who -- and turned the book to a page near the middle of the book. He showed me a sentence or two that essentially said a proper black man was to make every effort to not work for the white 'man'. Apparently he could go back to his group of fellow blacks later that night and if he had successfully avoided working for the white man -- there would be high-fives all around and he could be proud of that behavior back in his 'collective' group mentality of culturally similar people. As I am more oriented toward 'individual' behavior I find I cannot really comprehend his behavior. Was he acting as part of a 'strike' or 'boycott' and to what end?

In Karl Pribram's book that I mentioned in #52 above -- he states that nominalistic and universalistic thinking is represented in fashion design and architectural features. Domes, rounded arches, and circles in general represent a nominalistic reasoning with the curves fencing in or out the individuals. Universalistic reasoning somehow gives us the pointed architecture of the gothic cathederals and pointed helmets and shoes somehow represents a 'joining' or 'collective' reasoning while the rounded elements of architecture and helmets and shoes represents the individualism of nominalism. He wrote that the prevalent nominalistic thinking in the renaissance period and in the founding of our country -- is represented in the rings, domes, and in general non-pointed architecture of Florence and the design of DC buildings. Does the single-family housing with fenced yards of the suburbs represent one type of thinking while the multi-family apartments with no individual yards of the cities represent an opposite mentality?

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